Increase Natural Energy by Lowering Artificial EMF with Julia Lupine

Increase Natural Energy by Lowering Artificial EMF with Julia Lupine

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the EnergyMD Podcast where we help you resolve your chronic fatigue syndrome and long COVID naturally so that you can get back to living your best life. So really excited today because we're going to be talking about how to decrease your exposures to EMFs and whether or not EMFs are potentially a problem for you. We're going to be talking with Julia Lupine and let's learn a little bit about her. So she is a homesteader, goat trainer, author,

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primitive skills, enthusiast, backpacker, gardener, herbalist, and songwriter. She is based in the Western US, where she often can be found under a rock, usually accompanied by goats and cats. Julia is not a fan of the unrestricted use of wireless radiation and is active in helping EMF-sensitive people to find creative solutions to remain healthy and thrive in the modern area. Julia, thank you so much for joining me today. Thanks for having me on. Yeah.

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So, know, EMFs are, you know, one of the environmental toxicities that we look at when we're working with people with electromagnetic, sorry, with chronic fatigue syndrome and with long COVID. The other ones, just so you have context about who you're talking to, is that we're looking at what I call the toxic five, heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction. And I see EMFs as part of that whole toxic picture. So tell us a little bit about your story.

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and how you learned about EMS and kind of like what your transition has been and how you're doing now. Yeah, so when I was younger, I'm 43 now, and in my teens and 20s, I had all the, pretty much the list of problems, like chronic fatigue was a major one, concentration, I went from being a straight A student to like Ds because I just couldn't concentrate.

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And yeah, so like extreme tiredness, bipolar, depression, crazy mood swings. And I just thought it was part of being a teenager, but it got worse and didn't go away. And just to the point where in my mid-20s, yeah, joint pain, kind of weird fibromyalgia type symptoms. But I'd feel fine when I was hiking and camping. But as my life...

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college life and everything began to fall apart, I made other plans because I did okay when I was out in the wilderness, but I just thought it was stress. So at age 30, I found myself living in the wilderness in Utah, kind of living in and out of caves and backpacking a lot. And I realized when I was out there, all my symptoms went away. But when I went into town, and the first thing I would do in town, of course, is

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check my cell phone messages, because it didn't work out there. So I'd check my cell phone and get an immediate serious headache right where I was holding the phone. So I kept holding it further and further away, which helped at first and then didn't help. So it became obvious to me what was causing the problem. And then in town, would get the same problems would come back and I would get really stressed and couldn't focus. um

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just felt extremely overwhelmed by the whole thing. um so I began to, and I didn't understand what an EMF was. It was this mysterious, invisible force, you know, and I related it to the woo woo and energy because that's the only answers I got from people. And then my smart physics friends just told me that there's no way you could react to EMF, that it didn't affect biological systems. But I tended to not believe that because I felt

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such an obvious effect, it's like night and day. um so what happened, long story short, for one thing, I met an EMF researcher um and electrosensitivity uh advocate for people's rights, Gary Duncan, and he gave me some information and pamphlets. would leave me, I was still living out of caves and he would leave me a...

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um these printed pamphlets in town, which, um see, I wasn't able to get online to really research it. I'd get a headache after 10 minutes. So, but I started piecing together the puzzle and kind of figuring out that avoidance made me feel good and being immersed in the fields made me feel bad. And, um

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just acquiring knowledge over the years, but it was still manageable at first. I could come into town and work for a couple days and then go back out to the wilderness and recover. And I worked odd jobs, mostly gardening, pulling tumbleweeds. And I was into eating the weeds too and wilderness survival stuff. That's kind of why I was out there in the first place and trying to be a writer. But what made that hard was that I couldn't really use a computer without

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I'd get tingling up the nerves in my arms um and a massive headache, but I would write things with pen and paper. um So long story short, I did okay for a few years of this. And then eventually my health started to really decline because I had no money for healthy food and just the stress of everything. So I had a major health crisis around

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2016, 2017. And to make a real long story short, I ended up finding a goat farm to work at where they didn't have Wi-Fi. And through the raw milk and organic diet and herbalism that I was doing there, and I was able to make some money too. long story, yeah, so I was able to get my own farm, which is where I'm at now sitting in my greenhouse here.

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And I'll say my health has made it 100 % improvement. I'm totally fine. I don't have any of these problems anymore, like insomnia, joint pain, concentration came back. And I feel completely okay, except when I go into town once in a while to get groceries, it all comes back. But I can handle it for a couple hours and then recover the next day. Nice, wonderful.

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I'm glad you figured that out. And I think it's such an important piece of the puzzle. You know, we're oftentimes looking at total body burden, you know, where for a lot of people, know, EMFs by themselves aren't an issue, but it's just in combination with heavy metals, chemicals, molds, and infections where all of a sudden it's just too much for the system. And for other people, EMFs on their own can be so much of a, the majority of the concern. And so you're obviously on zoom right now. So how do you have your

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your home and your farm set up from a wireless radiation EMF perspective so that you can tolerate it? Right, well ideally, so landlines and fiber optic are the way to go because if it's wireless, you've got a high RF reading and it's harmful, but fiber optic is completely safe and even a copper landline is generally pretty safe too.

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So that's what I recommend that people do is if at all possible, get their wifi switch to a landline. Now in my case, it wasn't actually possible to get a landline. I'm still working on that, but I live in a camper. I'm on year five of my homestead project and I don't have a house yet or an address and they would not give me a landline to my camper, unfortunately. So I had to get wifi.

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So the way that I made that workable was the wifi is 300 feet away in its own little camper on a solar panel system that's only turned on when the wifi is in use. And luckily I have a boyfriend who is nice enough to turn it on and off for me. So I don't have to go over there and get zapped. And it's on a cord, a cat six cable that goes straight to the computer. It's behind a hill by the way too.

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So there's actually zero RF where I'm at, which is great. And then eventually I might be able to get the fiber optic situation going if I start getting rich and famous from my books, but that hasn't happened yet. So right now I'm just still living in the camper with the wifi system um that I turn on every three days or so when I wanna check messages. And so is the wifi the only...

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RF or the only EMF that you're currently exposed to? Yeah, well, I'm not even exposed to it because it's behind the hill. yeah, so I am getting some low frequency fields off the CAT6 cable. But if I sit back three feet or so like I am there, that's also zero. So basically, it's a safe situation right here. There's magnetic fields if I touch the computer, which I can handle a little bit. But

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I also have this grabby thing that I can use to move the mouse around if I really don't want any exposure. And then I use a stick to type the keys if I don't want the magnetics. There's a magnetic field that is about two inches or so off the computer. And um it's not strong. I can handle it for a little bit.

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If I'm on for too long, feel my fingertips start to tingle. So that's when I know that it's time to log off. But yeah, these things, the low tech tips are often the best. wrote an article about it in my Substack blog, actually. Nice. And we'll share the link to your Substack below. uh And so then what are you, so you don't have a cell phone. Right. And

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Yeah, previous to getting the internet uh here, I had to go to the library every, and I could handle it every two weeks for an hour so, and then I'd be a total wreck the next day. But luckily now I don't have to do that. And yeah, and I don't have a cell phone, but I can make Zoom calls or Facebook calls, or I have a Google voice number. So those things work for me. And previous, I just sent letters or ran into people.

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or had someone else make a call for me, but it was very difficult. This condition, when it's severe like mine is, it disconnects you from the entire world. It's debilitating and you can't really get a job or work or do anything. But when I'm out here, I can work all day. I mean, I'm in better shape than most people my age that I know. I went for a three mile hike this morning with my goat.

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And I work on the farm and build stuff and milk goats and garden um all day long. But in the city, I was pretty much disabled. I just couldn't do anything. yeah, and I think there's people, see, I think it's the missing piece in a lot of these autoimmune type disorders that have become so prevalent, especially since the 90s when the cell towers went up, we saw this rise and

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fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, you know, the list of things that you deal with on your podcast and heavy, yeah, heavy metals, mold toxicity. And I was going to, uh after doctors failed me, I was going to naturopaths and functional medicine doctors. And they basically, in my opinion, they basically also failed me because they told me em the other pieces of the puzzle.

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such as, you know, they said I had Lyme, but I never tested positive. And the heavy metals and the Candida, which I did have, and I ended up curing. um And then the heavy metals, um all of that. But the one thing that nobody ever mentioned was the EMF component. And I think it works synergistically with all the other.

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pieces of the puzzle because the heavy metals are conductive and they conduct, they make your body into an antenna. I got my mercury fillings out hoping that would be the cure, but it wasn't. But I do feel like it made a difference getting them out. And then I do all kinds of things like diatomaceous earth to take heavy metals out. And then just healing the gut lining is another big part of the puzzle. So it's like you have to do other things to heal the body, but

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If you don't get out of the EMF environment, it's gonna be a lot, a lot harder to do that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And there's research to show that if you've got EMFs on top of mycotoxins, mold toxins, that um you'll be worse off for sure. So that combination is also pretty significant. Yeah. I believe the EMF stimulate the bad bacteria and funguses to

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to proliferate and grow in the body. There's been studies that um regular bacteria will change into pathogenic bacteria just through a strong um artificial RF field. So sometimes just moving out of the high EMF environment makes a huge difference. Now for me, I had Candida really bad. It was actually diagnosed by a doctor and...

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They said I needed to take antibiotics, which I didn't do because that makes it worse. But anyway, so that didn't get better right away when I moved out of the EMF, out of the higher EMF environment. But I found this supplement called Candix that actually knocked it out. It took a little while, but I can pretty much eat anything now. And it does after struggling with Candida for 20 years, I can eat fruit or carbs or whatever, as long as I stay moderate.

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with everything. And, but I believe that the EMF component of it was um changing my EMF environment was also what helped me to heal. Yeah, agreed. It's very hard to get rid of infections if your immune system isn't functioning well. And when you're exposed to EMF, immune system is not going to be functioning well as well as it could be for sure. So in your, in your camper van, you don't have any sort of EMF exposures even to like the electrical that's coming in.

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None, because I didn't put any electricity in there. um Now DC generally is considered safe for electrosensitive people. I do have a DC powered refrigerator. It's in my shed and it has a separate solar panel system that goes to that. And then I also have AC power. have another system that um I only, with an inverter.

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that I only turn on when I need to and it's for charge if I need to charge the laptop or charge power tool batteries or run a vacuum cleaner or whatever. m So AC fields are generally not safe. I react to a regular refrigerator or other household power just as badly as I do to a cell phone. And so um I just stand back from the inverter when it's turned on.

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And then my well runs on DC. So yeah, basically everything's DC. But then to my camper, I could have lights if I wanted to powered by DC, but I'm just so used to living outdoors that I chose to not do that. use a headlamp or candles and yeah. And like I said, my chronic insomnia went completely away when I started living like this. That's awesome. And so then

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Do you use any uh equipment like any EMF shielding when you're interacting with like the AC or anything like that? No, it generally doesn't help much with AC. And shielding is problematic anyway because it's metal can conduct a field. It can block the higher frequency stuff, but with the near field exposure, such as from household power, um it could actually conduct it and make it worse.

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So yeah, I avoid the metal, but I do use leather, m like leather coats when I'm in town. I have this cool leather helmet thing that I wear too, or wool hats really work, wool clothing. So I'm a big fan of the natural fiber, or yeah, natural materials. I sometimes use uh one of those silver lined, uh it's like a long underwear set, but.

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And that works somewhat. can, like I was saying, it might be problematic if someone was using a cell phone or uh exposed to something close up. The silver line clothing might make it actually worse, but I found it to be useful sometimes in a town situation. But more often I just wear my leather coat and that seems to work better. uh And then also the silver line beanies or any kind of hat I would not recommend.

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because it's only, um it blocks it, but then it's not covering your whole face. So it also blocks it from exiting. So it just bouncing around in there. yeah, so I have like a leather helmet that I like to wear, but I also have one of those leather biker caps and I put a wool hat over that. And I find that that helps a lot more than the silver lined stuff would do.

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Nice. Yeah. Sometimes if we, if we, uh, want people to experience, you know, like what it's like to not have exposure to EMFs, sometimes it's turning off their, uh, the electric, all the electrical in the house and then we'll still potentially have exposure from their neighbors, but obviously getting out into nature. Um, how do you see, you know, like diagnosis of, of people who've got electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome or, issues with EMFs? Is it just kind of

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getting out from the city and see how you feel. And that's the best thing you can do. It's the reverse of a provocation study, like the deletion studies or whatever you call it. That's how you can um really make it come clear to people if it's a problem in their life. And but so what you do is you go out to a wilderness area and where there's no RF and that's harder and harder to find.

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I recommend using a meter sometimes in in a ravine or a train situation where where it's blocking the cell phone signal. Though sometimes you can find an area like that, but I recommend using an EMF meter to find spots. And now of course you don't bring your devices with you. So no Fitbit, no computer, no cell phone obviously. And sometimes that even includes the car.

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especially the newer electric cars usually have some kind of a wireless, they have all kinds of stuff. So yeah, turn the car off and camp away from it for a couple days or sometimes an Airbnb or a remote cabin. It's hard to find, but you can sometimes find a place that doesn't have electricity and spend as long as you can out there, at least a couple days, preferably a week. And if

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a bunch of, your symptoms disappear, then it definitely might be an issue for you. And that's, yeah, that's what I recommend for diagnosis. Now you look up, um now that what the industry does to disprove us is that they do these provocation studies. You look up on Wikipedia and they cite these studies. em The most famous one is done by James Rubin. He's not a doctor, not an EMF specialist. He's a

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crowd control psychologist, but they don't tell you this in the article. basically what he did is he takes elect, and there's been several studies that he's done, but he takes uh so-called electorsensitive people who aren't even people like me. They're people who report getting a headache from their cell phone once in a while. He finds them through a newspaper ad or an ad at the doctor's office. And he brings them to his lab, which is not shielded.

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So there could be a wifi router in the next room even, he doesn't say. He doesn't say what the background EMF environment is in the lab, but he takes these people and he puts a headset on them that simulates a cell phone signal and the headset's either turned on or off. What he doesn't say in the official summary of his work is that the headset's never off. uh

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even when it's not in zapping mode, there's still a magnetic field, probably about like my computer has. So a near field exposure. So he has the subjects guess whether it's on or off. And they guess about 60, I read the actual paper and it's roughly 60 % of the time that they guess correctly. are they? Yeah, that they guess that it's on. But the control subjects, oh they guess,

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they have a more variable um rate of guessing whether it's on or off. So that in itself is, like evidence to me that they are onto something. And then also, um but yeah, the fact that it's not actually off when it's in sham mode, pretty much like the paper should be thrown out. It's not really evidence. I actually wrote to this guy pretending to be a

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person who gets a headache from their cell phone and appealed to his ego. I said, well, I'm getting this headache from my cell phone. Is there anything to this? I want to talk to a scientist who's researching this problem. And he was really nice, but he basically confirmed he's not a doctor. He doesn't know what um the background level of EMF was in the lab. And he didn't know if it was putting out any EMF while in sham mode.

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So that doesn't seem real scientific to me. And anyway, these are the studies and there's been studies done by independent researchers. I think there was this cordless phone study where the subjects didn't know if the cordless phone was on or off, but their heart rate went, in 40 % of the people, their heart rate doubled, which is alarming really. But you don't hear about that on Wikipedia.

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Just, and by the way, the industry is who's sponsoring these studies, the wireless trade organizations who really want to discredit us because it's a threat to their business model. Is it better in Europe? Every country has a little bit different standards on how much radiation is allowed. The U.S. is the worst, followed shortly by Canada.

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And some, guess what I've heard secondhand is that some European countries are really bad and some are a little better. I've heard that it's better in Italy and yeah, and some Russia, it's really low too, but there's still towers everywhere worldwide. There's very few places like where I live there.

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is actually one of the few safe places left. And there's a few like maybe out in the Australian outback somewhere or Siberia or, you know, in the middle of the ocean maybe, but it's getting, yeah, it's getting harder and harder to find a safer place. Yeah, it probably depends a lot on the density of the area. You know, the more people you have, the more exposure you potentially have. You mentioned testing and using a meter. Do you have a favorite meter that you like?

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I do. have the Kornet meter, which I really like. It tests for RF and low frequency fields and magnetic fields. So it's a pretty good all around beginner friendly meter. Also the safe and sound is what my friend Gary Duncan recommends it's supposed to be. Yeah, it's about $150 maybe and it's really easy. It's got, you know, green is good, yellow, intermediate, red is bad.

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And I don't remember if that just tests for RF or if it tests, I think it tests for low frequency fields too.

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Yeah. And so that was going to be my next question is so then what are you testing for? You're testing for RF and low frequency. Any other frequencies, magnetics, magnetic, right? And I mean, you can get a really good meter for thousands of dollars. That'll be a lot more accurate, but just for general use and to, um, you know, to kind of just figure things out when you're a beginner, like these entry level meters do work.

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And, if I was, if I was really trying to remediate my house, I'd probably hire an EMF consultant or get a good meter. But for me, I just live without electricity and stay far back from it.

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Gotcha. And do you have an EMF consultant that you like for people who are like, you know what, I'm not sure the living off the grid is possible for me. Maybe I want to consult with somebody. I've heard of Orem Miller before. Keith Cutter is really good. He's out of Idaho and yeah, I've been on his podcast a couple of times.

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K-U-T-T-E-R? Uh huh. Okay, cool. I will check him out. That is very knowledgeable. Excellent. That's great. Yeah. So then for people who now understand that EMFs can be a significant problem for them, but they're not willing to live off the grid, their kids going to school, you know, whatever it is, what sort of stuff can they do at home? Well, the good news is there's a lot you can do because people's main exposure is from their own cell phone and wireless

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devices. So get a landline if at all possible. um But if you don't, then at least turn the cell phone on airplane mode and hold it whenever you're not using it. And then on speakerphone when you are using it really helps. um And turn off Wi-Fi at night when you're not using it. Just doing those two things will help a lot.

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And then also pay attention, like if there's a smart meter, don't um that be where your main area is. Make sure you're not sleeping behind one or spending time standing in front of one. You can use the meter to test different areas of your house and see what the higher, um yeah, what the higher EMF areas are and just don't have those be your main living areas. um

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And a lot of time people will do that and they'll find that the areas that are lower EMF are the areas where they feel the best anyway. It's amazing how the body really knows. Yeah, and hard wiring, if you can, know, putting ethernet in instead of Wi-Fi, if that's possible. Yeah. And what do you, and we talked a little bit about the shielding. Do you think some of the smart meter shielding works? um I don't know offhand, but I'd say

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Probably not. The shielding is so problematic and there's a lot of companies trying to make money, but um it's hard to actually shield for all the frequencies without also conducting them and potentially making it worse. um So yeah, just, I don't know. I would do everything I could to get off grid myself if at all possible, but that's difficult for many people.

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Yeah, and flipping the fuses at night to turn everything off in your home. That's one of those things where, uh, you know, it's a little bit challenging for all the stuff in your freezer, but that's, that can be a good gauge for people who aren't sleeping well and they want to see if EMFs are contributing. Would you agree? For sure. And I actually used to do that when I was in a house, I would turn off the fuses to my bedroom and that made a huge difference. And on days when I had, there were times when they, when they were left on.

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and those days I couldn't sleep. I'd get this prickling feeling in my arms and swelling in the lymph glands. yeah, sleep is definitely the most important um time to have it off because that's when your body wants to go into parasympathetic and heal itself, you know, so it helps if you're not being zapped all the time. So sometimes just having a safe place to sleep is enough for people depending on where they are. um

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what their sensitivity levels are. And I would say definitely um prevention. Like the sooner you can start making changes, sooner your body can heal and the less likely you are to threshold into the greater sensitivity levels like someone like me. I would agree. Yeah, and I've seen that with the total body burden too is that the less

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heavy metals, chemicals, mold and infections that people have. And the more work they've done on their nervous systems, oftentimes the more tolerant they can be, but not always. yeah, the prevention is really important. um I believe there are some herbal or dietary supplements that you've used before that you advocate for that can mitigate the harm from EMFs. Definitely. They've uh made a huge difference for me. What I would say,

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My first thing that I would recommend would be any of the medicinal mushrooms, like chaga, cordyceps and reishi, lion's mane are my top four favorites, but yeah, all the mushrooms really help because they just help the body to adapt to stress and help the microbiome. And they all do different things like lion's mane, especially helps actually regrows neurons in the brain and really, really helps after being zapped.

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The powders are best for a long-term daily use and the tinctures are best for acute situations. Like I'll take some Lion's Mane Tincture after a bad town experience and it'll sometimes really reverse the damage a lot quicker than... Yeah. And then also the adaptogenic herbs, um aluthero, schisandra berry, rhodiola, um St. John's wort's a really good one.

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But yeah, any of the adaptogenic nerve herbs, also cat's claw, Japanese knotweed, by the way, any of the lime, I'm kind of working on a substack uh series of essays about this, but all the lime disease herbs work amazingly for the symptoms of electrosensitivity. And to my knowledge, nobody's studied this in depth, but it's a real interest of mine because I thought I had lime, so I researched it and started taking

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the herbs as recommended in Stephen Herod Buhner's book, Healing Lime. His main herbs are Japanese knotweed, casklaw, and andrographis, and a few others. And I was taking these herbs and I felt a lot better. My sensitivity levels lowered and my ability to um do well while living in town increased. But I stopped taking them because

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and I haven't been taking them, but I might start again just to experiment and see how I do with it. But yeah, I think there's a major, as I was saying, there's a major connection between all of these autoimmune type issues and electricity. So the same herbs work. Right. Well, and that speaks to my supposition and what I've seen in terms of like the total body burden, you know, where

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Yes, if you decrease the amount of infection that you have, you're gonna be potentially less sensitive to EMFs. So a couple last questions. So are you familiar at all with the work of uh Sheena Simington at the Electro-Sensitive Society in Canada? Yeah, I know her a little bit because I've gotten a couple calls with her for she runs a support group for electro-sensitive people.

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She's really nice. I actually quoted her in my newest book. Nice. And do you, have you tried the, that light therapy that she puts people through? Yeah. Auricular chromotherapy. And yeah, that fascinates me because acupuncture really helps. So it's like basically a form of acupuncture and um yeah, as soon as I feel that I can afford it, I want to take the training.

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Yeah. And so, yeah, I think that that's an, I haven't, uh, I haven't tried it on anybody, but it seems like the case studies can be pretty significant for helping people decrease their sensitivities. And for those who aren't familiar, you basically get very cheap led lights and you shine certain colors on the ear while you're having a conversation with somebody and they're processing through things. So it's a very interesting concept that seems to be supportive for folks. Wonderful. Is there anything that we did not discuss that you want to make sure that we convey today?

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Oh yeah, there is one more thing. um Don't waste your money on harmonizers and stickers through your cell phone and um scaler, tachyon, uh basically woo-woo devices. They're all snake oil. I've never heard of a single, I've talked to hundreds of electrosensitive people worldwide over the years and just seen case studies from other researchers.

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And I have not heard a single case of one of those gadgets actually helping. So, and maybe sometimes people feel a little better, but that's probably placebo effect. And it's just basically these companies trying to profit off of people's fears and misfortunes. So don't waste your money on that instead buy a meter. And the meter will pay for itself the first day by decreasing your exposure so you didn't even know you had. That's great.

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And so does that also go for stetsorizers and those? No, those are real. Okay. they, I mean, you can measure that with your meter, you can measure a reduction in field strength. So it's actually based on real physics. But anytime you see the word scalar or quantum or um there's different words that they use, but any of those things, we just call them blisthenine paraphernalia.

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And it's just not even based on science at all. It's just, they're just trying to make money. And the, and the scalar technology is mainly trying to capitalize on the Schumann residence. Is that correct? Yeah. And the Schumann residence is a real thing too, that can be measured, but they're basically just using a bunch of scientific jargon, mixing it with a bunch of woo woo and trying to sell people stuff and like really, and a lot of it looks really convincing.

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And I've written to these companies, but it's not when you know what to look for, because I deconstruct big tech studies. They uh use wireless trade organization money to pay scientists to get the results they want. So I've read a lot of fake studies and I know what to look for. And I've looked at the studies of these snake oil salesmen and it's basically the same thing and they're equally guilty in my opinion.

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And some, mean, some of the salesmen might even believe in it, but they're not EMF sensitive. don't. So, um, you know, maybe they feel better with their sticker, but they're not really feeling viscerally feeling the EMFs themselves to begin with. So, um, yeah. And in terms of the studies, you know, I know that most of it's being paid for by the wireless companies, but there are, there are positive.

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studies or there are studies that indicate that uh wireless technology is harmful for human health, correct? Right, and my book Your Cell Phone is Not Safe, I go into these studies in detail and uh pretty much all the studies show that it's dangerous unless these studies are paid for by Big Tech itself and then they either say that it's not dangerous or

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But if you read the fine print of the studies that might tell a different story, um yeah, so it's, yeah, it's just a big scam, basically. Like big tobacco, for decades, big tobacco did its own studies proving that tobacco is safe. And they, you know, they kept people fooled for a long time, but eventually the evidence piled up too much that um

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Now we know that tobacco causes cancer. Right. Yeah. Here's the hope. And the same thing happens with all these EMFs and all these things we're exposed to. uh The challenge is so many people are, I mean, it's a function of daily life now, right? I mean, there's, there's, you know, you can't really run your business, you know, work your job, connect with people. If you don't have, you know, if you don't have a cell phone, you don't have a laptop, that sort of thing. And so

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I think that the recommendations that you've made today, trying to live in that context, I know for me, where, you know, I don't, can't go live off of the grid right now with everything that I have going on. I think it's really important to do what we can and to, like you said, invest in a meter and see how bad is it for me? And how do I feel when I'm out in the boonies? You know, I think that that can give us a lot of data and encourage us to start making some changes. Exactly.

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And it's like, tell people, don't panic. You probably won't have to go live in a cave, but you can reduce your exposure as much as you can and try to get out into nature a lot, like field of Schumann residences, because that's as important as the part that you're cutting out, like get the nature frequencies and just try to be aware because unfortunately our society runs on the unrestricted use of microwave radiation.

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That's what a cell phone is, is a microwave antenna, just like the radiation in your microwave, except a a lot less Watts, but same thing. And you know, it probably won't kill you if you um just take steps to reduce the exposure. Yeah, absolutely. Excellent. And so best place for people to find you is on Substack. And so we're going to put that link below.

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around this video, this podcast. And then also we'll put the link to your book. Yeah, two books, soon to be three. And they can be found on Amazon. Excellent. And then it sounds like you work with people one-on-one in consultation to help them optimize their environments at home in terms of EMS. I do. And now I'm not an EMF consultant though, for more technical advice, you'd actually want to hire somebody to come to your house and measure the fields.

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But I can give basic advice, just lifestyle, inspirational, uh and then just ideas on how to reduce and also how to live off grid, how to alternatives to some of these exposures I can help with. That's excellent. And so people would just go to your sub stack and then message you from there. That sounds good. I have Facebook too, but if I don't know why somebody is friending me, I might.

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friend them or not, depending on my mood that day, but you get a lot of random people. But if a person messages me and tells me why, then I would friend them. Excellent. And then go into that people I don't know bucket. And so it's hard to kind of like find them. yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, Julia, this has been really educational. I really appreciate you taking the time to hang out with me today. Yeah, for sure. You too. Thanks. Thank you.

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