00:00 Hey there, welcome back to the EnergyMD Podcast where we help you resolve your long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome so that you can get back to living your best life. And we do that by focusing on the toxic five, a combination of the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, and infections and nervous system dysfunction that are at the real root of your symptoms. 00:26 So today I want to talk about what to do when the FLCCC protocol doesn't work for you. So if you've been in the long COVID world for a bit, you've probably heard of the FLCCC, which stands for frontline COVID-19 critical care Alliance. And they recently changed their name to the independent medical Alliance and they've put out protocols for how to get rid of the spike protein. And these protocols have included things like, um, 00:56 IVM, otherwise known as ivermectin, low dose naltrexone, nato kinase, melatonin, magnesium, methylene blue, resveratrol, sunlight, and photobiomodulation. So those are like what they consider first line therapies along with intermittent fasting. And then their second line therapies are things like omega-3 fatty acids, N-acetylcysteine, L-arginine, and nitric oxide boosters. 01:25 Nigella sativa, sildenafil, bromelain, vitamin C, spermidine, intravenous vitamin C. And then third line therapies are things like hyperbaric oxygen therapy, mitochondrial energy optimizers, and hydroxychloroquine and low dose corticosteroid. Okay. So you may not have known that you got an FLCC protocol. saw somebody recently who joined our program who was like, Oh, that's where my doctor got that information. So. 01:53 If your doctor is giving you a number of those supplements and says that this is the recommended long COVID protocol, then that's probably where they got it from the FLCCC, which is now the IMA. So for some people, this treatment might help them just by getting rid of the spike protein might be enough to get you back to baseline, back to where you were before you got sick, before you got long COVID. And just for those watching, if you're not sure if you have long COVID, 02:23 We do have a quiz on a website over at energy MD method.com slash learn, but you know, the short version is that basically any time since 2020, if you got a viral illness and you ended up with symptoms that persisted longer than two months, then it's highly likely that you have long COVID. Okay. But the spike protein is not the only reason why you got long COVID. 02:52 The spike protein is the straw that broke the camel's back. Okay. So we're seeing quite a bit of people, you know, a dozen or so who come into our program, they've done an FLCCC protocol or something related to it or similar to it to address the spike protein. And they've gotten a little bit better, but they just can't get to the finish line. And that's where we've been able to help them. And it's because we're addressing these other causes, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, other infections and nervous system dysfunction. 03:21 So what I found is that the spike protein really is the trigger, or it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. But the reality is the other toxic five are already present in the body. Okay, we come out of the womb with over 300 different chemicals found in baby's cord blood, found in our bodies. And then those just build up over time. So we get more, we get exposed to heavy metals through fish. 03:50 and through mercury fillings and smoking and firsthand smoking, secondhand smoking, lead in the dust in our homes that are built before 1970s. We get exposure to over 90,000 chemicals, 500 different chemicals before we leave the house in the morning. In what we eat and what we breathe, we get exposed to molds. Over half of the buildings in the world have water damage and most of those have molds. 04:19 And then with the infections, whether it's other viruses like Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalo or HHV6, or it's yeast or bacteria or parasites or Lyme type infections, all of these, you you can get these from mosquitoes and ticks and anything that takes a blood meal and kissing somebody, being intimate with somebody. So all these accumulate through your body over time. And if you've had any sort of trauma, 04:48 whether it's really significant trauma or whether it's more mild, what we consider little T trauma versus big T trauma. Anything that changes the way that you look at the world is going to cause nervous system dysfunction. And all of the other toxic four, like the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, and infections, all of those will cause nervous system dysfunction, which is why it's so important to do a brain retraining or a nervous system retraining program. 05:16 So all of those things are going to build up in your body over time. And then all of a sudden that spike protein or the COVID virus ends up being the straw that breaks the camel's back and you get symptoms. So when people come to see us and they've already done an FLCCC protocol with a number of these supplements and they're not getting better, I know why. It's because there's these other toxic five that are present. So we go through a process. 05:43 four-step process. The first process is identifying the causes that you have. So we personalize the program, the protocol for you. The second step, we start replacing the deficiencies, vitamins and minerals, hormones, mitochondria, lifestyle habits. And then step three, we open up the detox pathways, the drainage pathways. So liver and kidney and lymph and neurolymph, which is in the brain. 06:09 and gallbladder and intestines. These are all the ways that we get toxins out of the body. We have to start opening up those pathways so that we can go into step four and start removing the toxic five. I'll say them again, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction that have accumulated in your body and in your life over time. Okay. So we go through that four step process with these people and we address all of the causes that they have. And so your neck, your question might be, okay, so 06:38 How do I know what causes I have? What I have found in doing this with people who have chronic fatigue syndrome, ME-CFS, over the last decade is that they all have all of the toxic five, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction. So it's not a question of if you have them, it's a question of how much of each do you have? And with long COVID, I'm seeing the exact same thing. So with ME-CFS, people... 07:07 basically have the toxic five and then there's something that's the straw that breaks the camel's back. So sometimes it is an infection. You get Epstein-Barr virus. Sometimes it's some sort of stressor, work stress, life stress, a divorce. It might be significant exposure to mold. So it's always the toxic five are present and then there's the straw that breaks the camel's back. So I'm saying the same thing with people with long COVID. 07:34 And so what I go ahead and I do is we go ahead and treat, you know, it's going to cost you a lot less time, money and effort to just go ahead and treat. And we're going to make sure that we leave no stone unturned. The last thing that you want to do is go through a process where you're not addressing all of the causes that you have. And the reality is, that labs are all imperfect. 08:01 So if you want to get a laboratory test to see if you have the toxic five, nine times out of 10, I should say probably eight times out of 10, they're not going to be accurate. And the reason why is because a number of them are urine tests and the urine tests test the urine to see if the toxins are coming out. And it's more a test of excretion and not a test of total body burden. 08:26 So it's testing your ability to get these toxins out of your body, not necessarily what is in your tissues, your total body burden of the toxins that are in your tissues. Okay. So what ends up happening inevitably is that you are, let's say you're testing for mold and mycotoxins, which are the mold toxins. If you do a urine test and nothing shows, once you've gone through six or nine months of our program, all of a sudden, if you were to test at that point, there's a waterfall of mycotoxins that are coming out of your body. 08:55 Okay. And I know this because I've done testing every three months, um, on my clients over the last decade, up until a year or two ago. So I did a lot of testing and this is what I saw. And I was scratching my head. I didn't understand why this was happening. And then I realized it and I understood and I looked at the literature and I, and I, I, I, I understood more about what was happening. So really important to note that these labs are inaccurate. 09:24 And even with infections, the testing for infections is our serology tests, which are looking at the immune system's reaction to an infection. So if the immune system is dysfunctional because you have heavy metals, chemicals, and molds, which are causing the immune system to be distracted. So by definition, the immune system is going to be dysfunctional when you have the toxic five, then how can you ask a dysfunctional immune system to give you an accurate test on a test? 09:53 an accurate read on a test. So if the immune system is distracted, it's not going to be able to tell you that it is responding to a particular infection, whether it's Lyme, Epstein-Barr virus, or any other infection. 10:07 And what's also interesting about that is that you need a somewhat intact immune system, functioning immune system in order to get rid of infections. So this is also part of the reason why treatment for the spike protein only or the COVID virus is not, can at times not be successful is because if the immune system is focused on the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction, it cannot get rid of these infections. 10:35 and these infections become opportunistic and you can kill them till the cows come home. But until you get rid of the toxic five, you are not going to be successful. Okay. So if you are interested in learning more about how we approach things, I go deeper into all of this into my latest masterclass. So you can click on the link below. And after you watch the masterclass, if you're interested in seeing if we're a good fit to work together and if I can help you because I can't help everybody. 11:04 about a third of the people that I get on calls with, I tell them that I don't think that we can help them. We're just not a good fit to work together. But after you watch that masterclass, if you wanna see if we're a good fit to work together, you can get on a free call with me and we'll hash things out and I'll let you know an honest opinion. Okay, because it's not gonna serve. I don't want you to join my program if you're not gonna be successful. So I'm gonna ask you a lot of questions to see, to make sure that I can help you, okay? 11:32 So I hope this was helpful today. Go ahead and click on that link below, watch the master class and I'll see you in the next episode. Have a great day. 11:43 I hope you learned something on today's podcast. If you did, please share it with your friends and family and leave us a five-star review on iTunes. It's really helpful for getting this information out to more people who desperately need it. Sharing all the experts I know and love and the powerful tips I have is one of my absolute favorite things to do. Thanks for being part of my community. Just a reminder, this podcast is for educational purposes only. 12:12 and is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. It is provided with the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. Thanks for listening and have an amazing day.

FLCCC Protocol Didn’t Help Your Long Covid? Here’s the Next Step with Evan H. Hirsch - #157

April 08, 2025•10 min read

FLCCC Protocol Didn’t Help Your Long Covid? Here’s the Next Step with Evan H. Hirsch - #157

00:00

Hey there, welcome back to the EnergyMD Podcast where we help you resolve your long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome so that you can get back to living your best life. And we do that by focusing on the toxic five, a combination of the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, and infections and nervous system dysfunction that are at the real root of your symptoms.

00:26

So today I want to talk about what to do when the FLCCC protocol doesn't work for you. So if you've been in the long COVID world for a bit, you've probably heard of the FLCCC, which stands for frontline COVID-19 critical care Alliance. And they recently changed their name to the independent medical Alliance and they've put out protocols for how to get rid of the spike protein. And these protocols have included things like, um,

00:56

IVM, otherwise known as ivermectin, low dose naltrexone, nato kinase, melatonin, magnesium, methylene blue, resveratrol, sunlight, and photobiomodulation. So those are like what they consider first line therapies along with intermittent fasting. And then their second line therapies are things like omega-3 fatty acids, N-acetylcysteine, L-arginine, and nitric oxide boosters.

01:25

Nigella sativa, sildenafil, bromelain, vitamin C, spermidine, intravenous vitamin C. And then third line therapies are things like hyperbaric oxygen therapy, mitochondrial energy optimizers, and hydroxychloroquine and low dose corticosteroid. Okay. So you may not have known that you got an FLCC protocol. saw somebody recently who joined our program who was like, Oh, that's where my doctor got that information. So.

01:53

If your doctor is giving you a number of those supplements and says that this is the recommended long COVID protocol, then that's probably where they got it from the FLCCC, which is now the IMA. So for some people, this treatment might help them just by getting rid of the spike protein might be enough to get you back to baseline, back to where you were before you got sick, before you got long COVID. And just for those watching, if you're not sure if you have long COVID,

02:23

We do have a quiz on a website over at energy MD method.com slash learn, but you know, the short version is that basically any time since 2020, if you got a viral illness and you ended up with symptoms that persisted longer than two months, then it's highly likely that you have long COVID. Okay. But the spike protein is not the only reason why you got long COVID.

02:52

The spike protein is the straw that broke the camel's back. Okay. So we're seeing quite a bit of people, you know, a dozen or so who come into our program, they've done an FLCCC protocol or something related to it or similar to it to address the spike protein. And they've gotten a little bit better, but they just can't get to the finish line. And that's where we've been able to help them. And it's because we're addressing these other causes, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, other infections and nervous system dysfunction.

03:21

So what I found is that the spike protein really is the trigger, or it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. But the reality is the other toxic five are already present in the body. Okay, we come out of the womb with over 300 different chemicals found in baby's cord blood, found in our bodies. And then those just build up over time. So we get more, we get exposed to heavy metals through fish.

03:50

and through mercury fillings and smoking and firsthand smoking, secondhand smoking, lead in the dust in our homes that are built before 1970s. We get exposure to over 90,000 chemicals, 500 different chemicals before we leave the house in the morning. In what we eat and what we breathe, we get exposed to molds. Over half of the buildings in the world have water damage and most of those have molds.

04:19

And then with the infections, whether it's other viruses like Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalo or HHV6, or it's yeast or bacteria or parasites or Lyme type infections, all of these, you you can get these from mosquitoes and ticks and anything that takes a blood meal and kissing somebody, being intimate with somebody. So all these accumulate through your body over time. And if you've had any sort of trauma,

04:48

whether it's really significant trauma or whether it's more mild, what we consider little T trauma versus big T trauma. Anything that changes the way that you look at the world is going to cause nervous system dysfunction. And all of the other toxic four, like the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, and infections, all of those will cause nervous system dysfunction, which is why it's so important to do a brain retraining or a nervous system retraining program.

05:16

So all of those things are going to build up in your body over time. And then all of a sudden that spike protein or the COVID virus ends up being the straw that breaks the camel's back and you get symptoms. So when people come to see us and they've already done an FLCCC protocol with a number of these supplements and they're not getting better, I know why. It's because there's these other toxic five that are present. So we go through a process.

05:43

four-step process. The first process is identifying the causes that you have. So we personalize the program, the protocol for you. The second step, we start replacing the deficiencies, vitamins and minerals, hormones, mitochondria, lifestyle habits. And then step three, we open up the detox pathways, the drainage pathways. So liver and kidney and lymph and neurolymph, which is in the brain.

06:09

and gallbladder and intestines. These are all the ways that we get toxins out of the body. We have to start opening up those pathways so that we can go into step four and start removing the toxic five. I'll say them again, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction that have accumulated in your body and in your life over time. Okay. So we go through that four step process with these people and we address all of the causes that they have. And so your neck, your question might be, okay, so

06:38

How do I know what causes I have? What I have found in doing this with people who have chronic fatigue syndrome, ME-CFS, over the last decade is that they all have all of the toxic five, the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction. So it's not a question of if you have them, it's a question of how much of each do you have? And with long COVID, I'm seeing the exact same thing. So with ME-CFS, people...

07:07

basically have the toxic five and then there's something that's the straw that breaks the camel's back. So sometimes it is an infection. You get Epstein-Barr virus. Sometimes it's some sort of stressor, work stress, life stress, a divorce. It might be significant exposure to mold. So it's always the toxic five are present and then there's the straw that breaks the camel's back. So I'm saying the same thing with people with long COVID.

07:34

And so what I go ahead and I do is we go ahead and treat, you know, it's going to cost you a lot less time, money and effort to just go ahead and treat. And we're going to make sure that we leave no stone unturned. The last thing that you want to do is go through a process where you're not addressing all of the causes that you have. And the reality is, that labs are all imperfect.

08:01

So if you want to get a laboratory test to see if you have the toxic five, nine times out of 10, I should say probably eight times out of 10, they're not going to be accurate. And the reason why is because a number of them are urine tests and the urine tests test the urine to see if the toxins are coming out. And it's more a test of excretion and not a test of total body burden.

08:26

So it's testing your ability to get these toxins out of your body, not necessarily what is in your tissues, your total body burden of the toxins that are in your tissues. Okay. So what ends up happening inevitably is that you are, let's say you're testing for mold and mycotoxins, which are the mold toxins. If you do a urine test and nothing shows, once you've gone through six or nine months of our program, all of a sudden, if you were to test at that point, there's a waterfall of mycotoxins that are coming out of your body.

08:55

Okay. And I know this because I've done testing every three months, um, on my clients over the last decade, up until a year or two ago. So I did a lot of testing and this is what I saw. And I was scratching my head. I didn't understand why this was happening. And then I realized it and I understood and I looked at the literature and I, and I, I, I, I understood more about what was happening. So really important to note that these labs are inaccurate.

09:24

And even with infections, the testing for infections is our serology tests, which are looking at the immune system's reaction to an infection. So if the immune system is dysfunctional because you have heavy metals, chemicals, and molds, which are causing the immune system to be distracted. So by definition, the immune system is going to be dysfunctional when you have the toxic five, then how can you ask a dysfunctional immune system to give you an accurate test on a test?

09:53

an accurate read on a test. So if the immune system is distracted, it's not going to be able to tell you that it is responding to a particular infection, whether it's Lyme, Epstein-Barr virus, or any other infection.

10:07

And what's also interesting about that is that you need a somewhat intact immune system, functioning immune system in order to get rid of infections. So this is also part of the reason why treatment for the spike protein only or the COVID virus is not, can at times not be successful is because if the immune system is focused on the heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction, it cannot get rid of these infections.

10:35

and these infections become opportunistic and you can kill them till the cows come home. But until you get rid of the toxic five, you are not going to be successful. Okay. So if you are interested in learning more about how we approach things, I go deeper into all of this into my latest masterclass. So you can click on the link below. And after you watch the masterclass, if you're interested in seeing if we're a good fit to work together and if I can help you because I can't help everybody.

11:04

about a third of the people that I get on calls with, I tell them that I don't think that we can help them. We're just not a good fit to work together. But after you watch that masterclass, if you wanna see if we're a good fit to work together, you can get on a free call with me and we'll hash things out and I'll let you know an honest opinion. Okay, because it's not gonna serve. I don't want you to join my program if you're not gonna be successful. So I'm gonna ask you a lot of questions to see, to make sure that I can help you, okay?

11:32

So I hope this was helpful today. Go ahead and click on that link below, watch the master class and I'll see you in the next episode. Have a great day.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD

Evan H. Hirsch, MD, (also known as the EnergyMD) is a world-renowned Energy expert, best-selling author and professional speaker. He is the creator of the EnergyMD Method, the science-backed and clinically proven 4 step process to increase energy naturally. Through his best-selling book, podcast, and international online telehealth programs that can be accessed from everywhere, he has helped thousands of people around the world increase their energy and happiness. He has been featured on TV, podcasts, and summits, and when he’s not at the office, you can find him singing musicals, dancing hip-hop, and playing basketball with his family.

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