Ignite Your Energy Through Restorative Anatomy with Teresa Posakony - #136

Ignite Your Energy Through Restorative Anatomy with Teresa Posakony - #136

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the EnergyMD podcast where we help you resolve your chronic fatigue and related symptoms like long COVID or chronic fatigue syndrome so that you can get back to living your best life. So if you've heard me speak before, you know that I talk a lot about the Toxin 5. This is a combination of heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction that is really at the root.

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of long COVID and conflict. So today we're gonna be talking with somebody who can speak to one way that we can work on resolving the nervous system dysfunction. So today we're gonna be speaking with my friend Theresa Asakani, and so she actually led a program that we're gonna be talking about in a little bit that I took and I found a lot of value in it. So I wanted to make sure we got her the wrong information. So let's learn a little bit about her.

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So Theresa is a leader and consultant in the self-healing and resilient communities movement, helping organizations and communities worldwide unlock their potential to thrive. A dedicated researcher, she explores the connections with the neuroscience, anatomy, energy medicine, and somatic intelligence. Theresa's work empowers people to tap into their bodies and make wisdom for lasting change. She has developed programs for all agents that promote health and resilience.

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drawing on extensive studies and embodiment and somatic practices, including Ashton Kinetics and Alexandra Tuckman. With training in anatomy, energy medicine, coaching and reconnective therapy, Theresa integrates these practices holistically in her life. Theresa, thanks so much for joining me tonight. Thank you for having me, Evans. An honor to be here and talk about our dear nervous systems and how we can support them. Indeed.

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Let's start first with some definition. So, you know, one of the terms that you mentioned before is restorative anatomy. You'll tell me what that means. Yes. So the term restorative anatomy, our body has ways that it works with stress and it has also functions that help it to turn on or ignite the restorative aspects in the body.

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So we know a lot and a lot of research has been done about what activates the stress reflexes in the body, what turns on that fight-flight, that freeze-float. And if you go through all the details of the nervous system and you look at the body, you can see what helps to ignite those restorative capacities. So restorative anatomy is the study about how we turn on our restoration reflexes, our relaxation reflexes in our body.

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And as soon as we know how to turn those on, it's like a switch, you know? Yeah, this like, oh, that switch works for me. And as I study the body, I can see 14 keys and we call them the ease keys, but 14 keys to ignite restoration in the body. I know there's more, but 14 is a good start. Excellent. So let's take a step back to nervous system dysfunction. And...

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and that stress response that you've talked about. What's happening during stress? When do you know that you're out of balance and that you need to do some of this work?

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So we're always creating new neural pathways and we're always creating new muscle memories. So when I'm in a stress reflex, it's a reflex. It's like your hand touches the hot stove and it pulls back. It's in our autonomic system. So we don't have control. Like when Stephen Poore just uses the term neuroception. So when there's a neuroception of threat, when the nervous system perceives threat, it kicks off a stress reflux.

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know, it kicks off the stress response, reflex response, you know, and it happens in a nanosecond. And so all of a sudden, you know, those shoulders are up by the ears. It's mobilization with fear, you know, or it's a shutdown. It's immobilization with fear. So the stress reflexes, it gets into our nervous system pathways and into our muscle memory. And it's the muscle memory. It's like, oh, wow, I'm always creating those muscle memories. And then we can end up

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if it's trauma or toxic stress, we can be in that or just how we're sitting even. We can have that muscle memory that has our body in a constant stress response. And so as we understand, oh, that's how my nervous system's functioning, those patterns of how my muscle memory has been conditioned happened over a long period of time. And so that's how that stress gets into both our muscle memory and then into our cellular memory.

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our bodies in a stress loop, our organs aren't functioning. Our body, our nervous system is prioritizing survival mode functions, not the restorative or self-healing functions. So we have to get back to restore to turn on those restorative aspects in the body. SRS So when somebody has a stress response, what sort of symptoms do we have with this?

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the work of Stephen Porges and Stanley Rosenberg really go into detail. And Stanley Rosenberg's book on accessing the healing power of the vagus nerve goes into great detail and talks about post-traumatic sympathetic symptoms. So that's when the spinal sympathetic in the nervous system turns on. This is our mobilization with fear. And those shoulders are up by the ears. I'm getting moving towards her way.

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that's the spinal sympathetic aspects of the nervous system. The other aspects of the nervous system connect with freeze and float. And so this is post-traumatic or post-stress shutdown symptoms. And in that case, it's like my turtle pulling into the shell. My protective mechanisms are all about protecting those vital organs. So that can be as hard to get out of bed in the morning.

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It's hard to get moving. I don't have any energy. I feel depressed. There's depressive mood that goes along with that, where the other one could be more connected to anxiety. And sometimes it's a combo. I feel depressed and anxious about it. So we have to look at how those states in the nervous system connect. So we wanna dial into, oh wow, is it post-sympathetic?

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you know, stress responses that are sympathetic oriented, because those function differently than the ones that are oriented towards the shutdown or the free state. Essentially our body is trying to take care of us. Absolutely. It's realizing that there's a problem and it's shutting down or it's trying to protect us. Absolutely. These are simply patterns of protection.

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And so once we understand, oh, wow, these are my body's natural patterns of protection, and that's how they function. That's how that got into my muscle memory in the first place. And then once we've gone into them, it's just like, oh, we just have to remember to come out, because I'm going to go into it. Stress is going to happen. I'm going to turn on the news even, and wow, there I am in my stress reflex. It just takes a nanosecond.

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totally normal to go into them, you know, and then, Oh, can I notice that I'm in it? Do I know enough about my nervous system and these states in my body and my brain that I can know how to come out? Another fact that you said nervous, you know, Stacey, my wife talks about who you know, talks about noticing as a superpower. It's absolutely you know, yes, that taking a moment to listen, you know, our bodies are always talking to us.

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And so just this taking a moment to listen, doing a body scan where we see where those patterns of tension held in the body, what's happening is my shoulders rolled forward or they aligned or rolled back, what's happening with my neck, my jaw, my belly. You can just really go through and based on where there's those common stress patterns being held, it's just like, oh, wow, I'm just so glad to take this moment to notice. I didn't know I stopped breathing.

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And so how then how once we can observe, you know, then it's, and we know what serves us, we can, you know, exercise the muscle memory of ease or restoration.

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So that was a nice question. So you notice that you're in a stress response, then what do you do?

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Well, so the first thing is just to acknowledge this is my stress reflex. This is just a stress reflex. That's all. So we have so many thoughts about I shouldn't be that way or so this real deep compassion for myself. And also it changes like every minute. So if I notice a minute later, I'm looking for snapshots during the day. So here's a snapshot. Then if I

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I'm in a different position in a moment later. If I'm sitting at my laptop, I may be like this. And then, oh, I'm dancing in my living room. It's a totally different one. So it's partly the taking a moment to listen is to start to notice my habits. Oh, how do I usually sit? How is that for my body? How am I breathing usually?

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over time, our muscle memory, our neural pathways are conditioned through repetition. We changed the program of our muscle memory through repetition. So we got to dial it in with repetition and see, how do I practice these patterns of ease, these habits of ease, these restorative reflexes so that I can get that deeper in my muscle memory so I can breathe more during my day?

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Talk about how changing your mind, utilizing your mindset, you know, with the stress response. And here we're talking about the physical, right? How you can change your physiology and that can turn into the stress response. Is that accurate? Absolutely, yeah. And it goes back to Ida Rolfe, you know, you change the posture of a person, you change their psychology. And that has to do with getting more circulation and oxygen to your brain.

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if you have less circulation and oxygen, it's prioritizing survival mode functions. And also, we're not getting much oxygen to that brain if my ears are up by my shoulders, just not much room for my breath. So once I've opened that up, then there's more circulation and oxygen, so I get smarter. There's circulation of my prefrontal cortex. Hooray! That's the part of my brain that can help me focus my attention. So if I'm not in my focused attention,

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most likely somewhere I've cut off that circulation in my brain. And then most of the signals that come to the brain come from the body. With the Vegas, it's 80%. So, wow, I'm always sending signals to my brain. My body's always doing that. It's always sending that information. So this body up approach is real key for both our physical and our mental health.

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And so these days in society, we have challenges with our amount of morphology, right? Are we chairs and sitting and standing? Like, what are some of the challenges that we're experiencing as humans living in today's society? Well, first is our phones. And just look at your hand like you're looking at your phone, you know, it's like, look at all the things that happen, you know, your, your eyes follow your

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eye gaze goes to your phone, your head follows your eyes, and your body follows your head. So, oh wow, all of a sudden, I'm only going to be able to breathe shallow. Someone used the term device apnea. I don't like the term, but it's true. Oftentimes, we're only breathing very shallow when we're working on our devices, be that a phone or a laptop or just sitting a lot. As soon as

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as soon as I have that forward head posture, I've cut off that circulation in my brain. So good to know. I saw you just got up a little straighter. That's what everybody does. They're like, oh, wow, I'm doing that to myself. And so this little adjustment, and these habits, they start very early in life. So most of us didn't get this foundational education for a-

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how to be with a standard and seated posture in a way that supports our physical and mental health. That's just missing from our education. So this is just to me, what we're talking about in our self-regulation programs is foundational health education. It's like, oh, this is how my smart body works. This is how this dynamic adaptive body works. It's a vehicle. How does it work in the high-performance vehicle? How does it work as an instrument? And once we study that,

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that opens up all this capacity. So what do you recommend for people who are working jobs, where they have to sit at their desks? And would you like sit-stand stations? How many hours should they be?

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So in a broader sense, the first is to know that your brain is part of your central nervous system. So, oh, we talk a lot about the brain and lots of times you see images and it's like cut off, you know? It's like your brain is part of this beautiful central nervous system. And the central nervous system is your brain, your spinal cord, it's your skull, it's your spine itself. And then the meninges wraps the brain and spinal cord, then the...

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the shell that's the spine and the skull go on top of that to protect. So this is one system. There's a fountain of cerebral spinal fluid flows like a fountain, our circulation to our brain. We have to think about this fountain of the cerebral spinal fluid. So caring for the bottom and top of my spine during the day in standing or seated posture is really key.

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And I can do this through the simple ease keys practices. There's a number of practices that work with the top of the spine. There's a number of practices that work with the bottom of the spine. And we wanna keep this fluidity, this mobility going all day long. You can think of this like, okay, there's this beautiful fountain. And if I pinch the hose on the fountain, what happens?

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So just try that for yourself, Evan. Just go ahead and just like with a little forward head posture or a little tailbone tuck, what happens in your body? What do you notice?

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Yeah, this is part of the believe.

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Yeah, I'm not particularly good at this, working on being able to understand and pay more attention to my body. Right. Oftentimes, and I'm standing right now. You're standing. And so, you know, and then we can stand and we can have these forward rolled shoulders and be at our desk, or we can like perk up our ears. And so with our our little kids curriculum, we have, you know, it's really fun because we've got the early learning curriculum that works.

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adults come to the early learning curriculum and they're like, well, I'm here for the kids. And then we realize we trick them. It's just really for the adults. And then the kids are going to mirror the adults. So it's super fun. And in the early learning curriculum, we have a number of the animals be teachers about our smart bodies. And so we have everybody sit wavy like snake. And so we're just sitting wavy like snake. And wow, it's just like...

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okay, what happens is you sit wavy. And then if you teach them about their hip bones, and if you tip your hip bones, how's the wave? So if we want to find it the place to sit, so you can sit wavy. And then we have them perk up your ears, like Cobra perks up its head and look left and right, and then say, sah. So this little exercise,

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activates the spine. So we are getting that circulation going up the spine. We get more oxygen and circulation to the brain. And then we're turning on the social engagement system. We're turning on auditory processing. We're getting the visual processing so the kids are connected to the world around them. So we're turning on social engagement. And we have this beautiful social engagement system. So we want to turn it on. And you can know when I...

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My teenagers are grown now, but if they were on their phone or something, they literally can't hear me. As soon as they're in that sponsor, they can't hear me. It's just good to know. So once the social engagement systems turn back on, people can hear each other. And so we wanna do that. And partly with the pandemic, our social engagement systems got hacked. It's like, boom. So, oh, how do we, you can turn it on. We turn it on and off all the time.

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So we wanna get back to this beautiful neck mobility, as part of that too. Like I'm trying to create space here at the top of my brainstem, right there at the occipital lobe. And some people like even a head hammock, like, oh, I just wanna do a little head hammock here. And that lifts up that space. You can just try a little head hammock even. It was like, that feels really good cause we're lengthening the spine.

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And both Aston Kinetics, the work of Judith Aston and the Alexander Technique talk a lot about lengthening. So we wanna have that and also other movement-based teachings have that in it as well. So this lengthening of the spine is really key like how, and this dynamic adaptive spine, we wanna stay wavy.

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I remember in my yoga teacher pain, they talked about, you know, lengthening the spine because it separates also the, um, the spinal processes and the nerves that are coming out in the clean those processes are us. And that goes to all the organs, you know, so as we're thinking of caring for our nervous system, this caring for the spine, this lengthening of the spine, you know, keeping that fluidity in the spine, you know,

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those nerves, they support all our organs and all our peripheral nervous system. So having a suite of habits to do that is great. And it is very much, you're also healing old programs or patterns that got stuck in your muscle memory sometimes. Sometimes these patterns we know come across generations. And so like, oh, I was mirroring the patterns in my parents.

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And so that got deep in my muscle memory early in life. And the good news is, is we can reprogram that. We can reprogram that muscle memory. And once we know the restorative anatomy aspects, it correlates also with a lot of traditional teachings. And so empowering. It's completely empowering. That's right. You learn these keys and stuff. Yeah, yeah. And there's, so this, you asked about,

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the foundational piece for our physical and mental health and that central nervous system, caring for your central nervous system, that's the first aspect. And really like, how do I get that into my habits? When we teach the self-regulation class and the early learning class, we teach it over four weeks because it's about habit. So everybody chooses a couple of ease keys and they just try to get it into their memory over the week. Like, how do I get this in my habit?

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And so working with the science of habit, if we want to create new habits, they need to be enjoyable and easy to do. And so everybody chooses their favorite ease keys. They get like a set in the week one. What are your favorites? And then how do you get it into your habit? And then we come back next week and some people said, oh, I put a rubber band on my finger on each finger. And then I made sure I did 10 a day. And other people are like,

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I didn't do anything because it's not in their habit. So this wiring habit we teach over time because of that relationship. And then we do have another level class beyond self-reg, which is take care of your heart that works with that connection between the physical body, emotions, thoughts, and also our spiritual connections. So that's another level class that...

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We're still doing all this self work, but we see that those, whatever our thoughts are, if I'm in stress-based thoughts, I'm in a stress loop in my body. Like if I'm worried about something, it shows up here. Yeah. Such good stuff. I think that the, what you said about the habits is so important, because we can provide people this information, but it's really a question of information.

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Absolutely. Implementation is really a question of creating those topics. Right. And learning about our smart bodies. So in the program, we're like, OK, look at your device. What's going on? Do this other practice. What's happening? So we're developing this somatic intelligence, the smart body awareness. We know what it's like to be in restore. And therefore, oh, I want to get that going more.

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So when people start doing these things and started demanding the practice, what do you see? I don't know if there's some of those.

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So one is how different their breathing. And this is actually when the pandemic hit, went into our masks and into some terrified energy, then look what happened like the jaw locked up and all these things happened here. And then if we've had long COVID or other chronic diseases, oftentimes we can see these tension patterns here. So one of the things that I see

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There's just more movement, which we need through the day. And then the other is we've opened up the airways for the breath. And our lungs come all the way up to here, like really high up here, above the clavicle, above that first rib. And so with those lungs being so high, then we have this experience of...

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coming into a shallow breath just by having a little forward head posture. Okay, so go ahead and pull your shoulders in. What do you notice about your breath?

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started to take a deep breath. Yeah, literally, as soon as the sternum drops, you can't. So, oh, wow, it's just good to know. So we open this, we start opening up these gateways for the breath, and then all of a sudden, this is a little different. So relaxing your jaw and then opening up the airways, and we have different ease keys that different people like in order to support that.

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and to find that place. And now that this is open, take a deep breath and see what you're aware of.

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It changes, how does it change? It's able to take a much deeper breath. Right, so when we're in this forward posture, we're only able to breathe in superior lobes. And then once we've opened up that space for the lungs, like, oh wow, the ribb basket needs to open, this dynamic ribb basket needs to open. And now I can breathe in my whole lungs. And so that also supports my heart because there's also contraction around my heart here.

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And so this is really important for the functioning of the heart and lungs. And then, you know, the nervous system also down regulates as our respiratory rate goes down, our heart rate goes down. So, and then vice versa, this can be anxiety when the heart rate and the respiratory rate are up together.

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So some people are familiar with somatic experiencing. How does that differ from the score that we have? Where's the word? Right. So first somatic experiencing is real connected to the work of Sieben Porges and understanding the stress reflexes in our own body. So we're aligned with it.

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in terms of understanding the role of the vagus nerve and the importance of the vagus. And then with the work of Judith Aston and also the Alexander technique, we're really observing the structure function relationships with the body and knowing how our posture

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you know, impacts our nervous system. So if I have a misalignment in my upper cervical spine, that's gonna impact my body's ability for my nervous system to be regulated. Okay, so some things have to happen at a structural functional level. So we're looking at the structural functional aspects in addition to developing that really essential embodied awareness.

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then depending on what each person's trauma history is, life history, what they've experienced in their life, those stress patterns can show up in different ways. So my protective mechanisms, that's a complicated thing that's physical, emotional, mental. So we really want to... The restorative anatomy just looks at the work there and connection with Stanley Rosenberg.

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closely for a period of time with Stephen Porgeson goes into a lot of those details as well. So we're dialing in on those anatomy details. And so I would say it's very complimentary to somatic experiencing. And you're like, oh, wow, that's how my smart body works. So as you get more of those details, it helps us to heal even faster.

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cultivating their smart body. They might be thinking about how long does this take to do during the day? Is it micro-rumens throughout the day? Is it, you know, a lot of those sort of practices? How much time do you do? These are all, the ease keys are very efficient practices that, you know, take a minute, you know? And, and...

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Sometimes I like to, I mean, when I guide the practices, I guide them for 90 seconds, because it's like it takes a minute for my nervous system to like catch on that I'm safe, that I'm in a safe place. And so, it takes a little moment for my body to say, well, you know, that feels better. I can go into that relaxation response. And then these are learned, like we learn how to relax. And so,

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I had one person work with me for a while and he came to be in my class because his doctor says he doesn't breathe and his wife says he doesn't breathe. And this was my take care of your heart class and he says after six weeks he was breathing and he's like, I think I'm ready to start the class again. But that's not long. This habit in his muscle memory has gone on his whole life.

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I've worked with others who have experienced a lot of trauma and it's just like this habit of our shoulders up by our ears or even just anxiety. I've worked with people who one of my clients came in and said, I have anxiety, there's nothing I can do about it. And then over the period of a session, we found that place of ease, that place of restoration. And it was just such a relief.

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our muscle memories condition starting the moment of our first breath. And so as we continue to find more time, spend more time in restoration, it has generative effects. The ease keys themselves, they just take a minute to practice. So I can do them anywhere. And some people say they're even less than that. So one of them is called brain balloon up. And so just imagine your head's full of helium, it's floating up. And then...

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Let's on the inhale, let your brain balloon up. On the exhale, let your shoulders relax down. So inhale, brain balloon up. Exhale, let your shoulders relax down. And just take a couple more breaths, brain balloon up. On the exhale, let your shoulders relax down.

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So all of a sudden, your shoulders aren't up by your ears. Yeah, there we go. And we're taking care of that top of the spine. So now I have more circulation and oxygen to my brain. My lungs are in a better position. So they're all very efficient practices. So how do you work with people? How do I work with people?

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So one of the first questions, both in our classes and then also just generally, and with, I like, some people work with me individually, but the classes are amazing because we go so far. But the first question that I can ask anyone, any groups, large groups, small groups, is where do you hold your stress? And that's the question that...

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everybody can answer. I hold it right there. I hold it in my back. Oh, I hold it in my belly. And so that's the first question, where do you hold your stress? And then working with people to have them through their own observation noticing which ease keys help to unwind that. And sometimes there's a general pattern like

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I can say these are the ones that help with anxiety because generally people hold their anxiety or when they have anxiety, there's generally shoulders and neck. But other people, they're like, oh, I hold it in my belly. So you need different ease keys depending on first where you hold your stress and second, what works for you. The good news with the ease keys is they're non-prescriptive. I can start anywhere.

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So I could start with brain balloon up, I could start with my feet, I could start with my breath. So we're just sending these signals of safety to the brain. And then the brain says, oh, we're just getting more oxygen circulation in our brain. And then, oh, I can start turning on restoration. We're in a safe place. My body says, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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It has a neuroception of safety as I get that more circulation and oxygen moving. Yeah. But everybody's really good to report very quickly where they hold their stress. How about you, Evan? Where do you hold your stress? I hold it mainly in my shoulders. I have a little bit in my belly, but it's mainly in my belly. And so we have...

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like our primary and our secondary places. And sometimes you don't want to go right towards the place you hold it the most. So I was working with a family and the kid was always having digestive problems and stomach problems. And you could just see, we talked about the stress gates. And so there's the belly gate, like he held his stress in the belly gate and other people hold it in the shoulder gate or the neck gate or the tail gate. And...

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then, but we started in a different place. It was just like, I didn't go right for where it was most tense. It's like, well, how does this feel? And as you kind of start to see what supports you, it works well. There was an early, one of the teachers who I was working with said the kids didn't want to do anything. So one of the ease keys was called wag your tail, and they wouldn't do anything. And they're like, no, I'm not doing that. And no, and they're always no, always in the classroom. And then...

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the teacher says, well, can you wag your foot? Can you wag your hand? And then she's like, yeah, I can wag my foot. So it started there and there started to get that wave going, you know? That's sending signals of safety to the brain, you know? And so, and then she got the most beautiful art from this child because she felt so seen, you know? And so there was this co-regulation that happened in this moment where...

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The teacher was looking for what created more ease for that child. Oh, what creates a sense of ease? Oh, they can wag their toe. How great. And so we become ease detectives. How can we do everything with more ease? And, and I had two teachers, um, my teacher, Vicky Dodd, um, where I learned the asthen kinetics work, um, and, and then my teacher, Howard Schoon with reconnective therapy, and they both said you can do everything from ease. So.

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Since then, I've been a student of this ease and this curriculum grows from the understandings I received from them and this glorious study of our beautiful bodies. So you have free gift for our audience. Yes. So you can tell us a little bit about that. Absolutely. So the website, our website is powerofeasekeys.com.

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You can go on out to our website and you'll see there's a free downloadable and to excerpt from our book, from our curriculum of self-regulation. And we took the easiest ease keys to do kind of that are easy to share with other people. And that's what we hope. We hope that this is something that helps you with everything going on in your life, those moments that kick off your stress response, those moments you're uncomfortable. But we also...

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really wanted the ease keys to be something that people could share with others. So these are the easiest ones also to share. And so we encourage you to both download that, but also learn the ease keys for yourself and then share them with the people in your life. Right. And you have it in English, Spanish. We do. And our self-regulation course we have in English and Spanish, and there is an e-course also on the website.

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So we have both the live course and the e-course that you can access for self-regulation.

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that's very easy to navigate the websites. There's the self-regulation creating campus keys, the four-week series, and it's happening several times coming up here in November, so a couple weeks. We have one here in November 18th we start up. We'll have another one this spring. We just launched our early learning, so there'll be another early learning series starting in February. Yeah. And then there was another website that you have as well.

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So that is emerging wisdom not net. Yes. Emerging wisdom not net. This is my broader work around creating self-healing and resilient communities. So I've been teaching trauma-informed care and the neurosciences for a long time. And so we've really tried to see how do we bring the understandings of both the side of how trauma impacts our bodies, but also how we heal.

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into our systems and then just engaging our communities in the work of these self-healing practices, this being an aspect of that. So we've come to our close. Is there any last words that you'd like to share with our audience? Well, one would be, Evan, thank you for your work and calling out the importance of us caring for our nervous system as central.

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So this nervous system dysfunction is at the root of so many chronic illnesses. And there's a lot we can do for ourselves. There's things that we need clinical support for because there's misalignments, but we have so much power. And so what I really hope is you start to see the superpowers of your smart body. Like, oh, wow, these ease keys are here for you. You can turn on restoration. You can spend more time in restoration.

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this nervous system dysfunction is an invitation to learn more about your nervous system. And once you kind of start to get how this vehicle, this instrument works, like how it supports you in stress and restore, I think you'll just realize how amazing it is and you can work with that exquisite intelligence of your smart body. Yeah, I've seen just such amazing

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nervous system dysfunction. So I definitely encourage people, you know, if you're resonating to lose it today, please, Richard, get started on this. You're incredibly empowered, and you're going to feel better and you have to work on the nervous system. Yeah, that we fully agree with, you know, and then, and you know, it's so cool, because you know, this is, you know, I love

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