Using Bioenergetics to Heal Fatigue with Greg Eckel, ND

Episode 87:

Using Bioenergetics to Heal Fatigue with Greg Eckel, ND and Evan H. Hirsch, MD

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 00:08

Hey everybody, welcome back to the energy MD podcast where we're on a mission to

help people who have chronic fatigue, long COVID And mast cell activation syndrome so

they can live the life that they deserve. And as you know, we talk about a lot of the

different causes and a lot of the different levels of healing and I'm super excited

because today we're going to be talking about bioenergetics with my friend, Dr. Greg

Eccles. So let's learn a little bit about Dr. Greg. So his journey into naturopathic and

Chinese medicine began in the mid 1990s when he noticed the overmedication of

children while teaching preschool in 2001, he co founded nature cures clinic in Portland,

Oregon and later founded be vital that I suppose I say that right, be vital a wellness and

recharging center and Park City, Utah. His unique combination of naturopathic and

Chinese medicine provides an array of tools to treat acute and chronic illness,

emphasizing prevention and wellness principles. Dr. Eccles personal experience with his

wife's wife's Creutzfeldt Jakob disease led him on a deep dive into regenerative

medicine. Through this he developed a brain regenerative program and a nasal spray

that specifically targets neural inflammation in the brain. He utilizes intranasal stem cell

delivery, Mind Body techniques and other procedures to correct the body's control

systems and protect the body's energy. He believes the future of medicine lies in

frequency and he's leading the way in bringing bioenergetics mainstream I love that. Dr.

Echo has been featured on major networks like ABC, NBC and Fox and has reached over

150,000 people with his online brain regeneration and bioenergetic summits. He's also

published a book called shake it off and integrative approach to Parkinson's solutions,

and served as the president of the board of naturopathic medical examiners. Dr. Greg,

thanks so much for joining me today.

Greg Eckel, ND 01:59

Thanks, Dr. Ivan.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 02:02

So we're gonna be talking about bio energetics. So I guess, give us a little bit of an

introduction to bioenergetics as a nice place to start. Love it.

Greg Eckel, ND 02:13

Yeah. So this is a term that's kind of new in the lexicon, but it's really old. And I'll start

with a quote with Nikola Tesla, right, we got the Tesla quote coming out. But if you want

to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration, now

that we know he lived a while back. And so these are we're bringing quantum physics

and understanding of quantum reality into play clinically. And when you look at the two

systems of physics, like we can get out there really quickly, but I don't want folks don't

glaze over yet. When you think of Newtonian physics of like point A to point B with time

in between, that's what we all grew up with was, that's the older physics now, that can be

proved up to about 84 to 85%. certainty, then you get quantum physics, which kind of

stands this concept of time gets rid of time. And it says, actually, in a quantum reality,

which is, what we have is well, it can be proved up to 8980 89%. So there's a little bit

more certainty when you start talking in terms of quantum physics versus Newtonian

physics. But our what we all grew up with was this older physics, Newtonian physics. So

what we're looking to do is really accelerate our understanding number one of

bioenergetics. And number two really bring a reality of with like case studies, like we'll

talk about today of like, well, what does that look like in the real world like we are

mattered, particle beings. And what I'm going to start talking about is waveform and

frequency. How we can best understand that is these little supercomputers that we

have in our hands, right? These are or if you're old enough to remember radio stations,

right where you tune the dial in what you have the static and once you hit the line, on the

car, radio, the sound came through, right so we can understand there are frequencies

traveling in and around our bodies into devices like a receiver. So if that makes sense to

you, we have the supercomputers right I'm guessing that it does. You're watching this on

the internet. These things, what are called our bodies are also receivers that are

receiving frequencies and interpreting those signals. So that is the basically

bioenergetics is the study of living energy.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 04:52

I love the way you you worked in accelerate, you want to accelerate this into mainstream

I think that was like An electron joke, right? Yes. I had to get that one in there. Yeah,

Greg Eckel, ND 05:04

got it. That's good. So yeah,

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 05:09

so I was gonna say so in terms of these bioenergetics. So it sounds like it's this field, it

sounds like it's like these frequencies that are coming in. So it's, it's these things that we

can't really see that our bodies are coming into contact with, is that accurate to say, that

is accurate

Greg Eckel, ND 05:24

to say. And we would say the frequencies or fields actually create all matter, they create

our form, they create our organs, they create the desk, they create the, you know, the

glass, it's the field in frequency that actually, which is a wave creates a particle, which is

matter. So, you know, we're not, I don't want to geek out too much on that, because it's a

really fascinating concept. But in what really moves the needle for folks listening for

health purposes is, we're looking to move way upstream, when you start talking about

root cause illness, or dis ease. Instead of moving from matter to mattered with time in

between, if we're able to actually stack that up and get rid of time, we can actually

create radical changes and health really quickly.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 06:24

Amazing. And so we it's, we have a hard time measuring this, at least from a

conventional standpoint, I think that sometimes in order for something to become more

accepted, it has to be measured. And we're going to talk about how you have a way of

measuring which is super cool. And, and this takes me back to actually Star Wars and

thinking about the force. Were in like four or five, six, there's no real way to kind of

quantify it. But then all of a sudden, I saw Episode One, I think it was and they like

plugged something in. And they're like, oh gosh, this guy they're talking about like,

Anakin Skywalker, they're like his whatevers are off the chart. I can't even remember

what the term is. And so it's it's, you have a way of quantifying it. But would you agree

that this is part of the reason why it hasn't caught on? Because we don't have a way of

of quantifying it, that's mainstream.

Greg Eckel, ND 07:18

It is in you know, I actually really, in the bioenergetic centers in this being the first

flagship of that here in Park City, we're really interested in performing that research. And

in a scientific process, you have to have quantification. And it's very tough to quantify

subtle energies. So you know, I actually have come across some really interesting, you

know, devices, there's, you know, we're living at an amazing time. And I don't have this

implemented yet. But where I'm going with it is there's a vibro acoustic measurement

device of a gentleman out of the, you know, Bay Area, Google town, we'll call it and he

has a device that measures sobs, perceptible sound, and in that static, can create and

pick up signatures of viruses have, you know, I think you've seen this on maybe on

television, they have it in vibro acoustic rooms, where they're now measuring people's

gates, and they can determine if somebody's getting sick or not, by the way, the pitter

patter of our feet go in the morning, this is a way we can keep people in their homes

longer, kind of add, like stay at home, rather than having to move into a home, or he's

gonna use it for, you know, utilizing sounds of the heart that are way more accurate than

our an Oskol auscultation of you know, with a stethoscope. So thermography DarkField

Microscopy there. But there's not a standard on some of these measurement devices.

So we're kind of in a conundrum, as far as Okay, well, clinically, how do we measure that

now we have some ways of measuring it in the lab that I want to share some of that

research with you and your listeners and viewers coming out of University of California,

San Diego, that we can make sure something's happening. This isn't just woowoo

energy medicine, where it's like, I'm a thick bodied, like, I played collegiate hockey, like I

like to feel things right. And so that's I want I want to get changes in the real world for

real people. That's what gets me up in the morning and excited and so, you know, while

we can emit fields with pulsed electromagnetic frequency, I mean, I've got, you know, a

book called tools of health by I think it's Dr. Paul, Paul, Vic, don't quote me on that last

name, but he compend it's a compendium of all the research on pulsed electromagnetic

frequencies. So I love research and that's the scientific method is really important. And

so really utilizing research and pulling together, what actually gets results for folks, in

really, the bottom line is creating transformation faster for as many people as we can.

And we do that through detect correct and protect methodology that I want to share in a

in maybe a framework that we're talking around post viral syndromes, long COVID,

things like that. So we can make it more real.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 10:30

Excellent. So should we go into that first? Or do you want to talk about like how to

assess people from a bioenergetic perspective,

Greg Eckel, ND 10:37

let's talk about assessing. So what gets complicated and confusing is that when you

move into a quantum reality and a discussion is you have limitless possibilities, which is

very frustrating to an engineering mind, I found this very difficult for folks that have a

predilection towards one side of the brain versus the other. In that, how can at this

moment in time, like down now, now, now, now, there's endless possibilities until you

actually observe it, and that gets the field into a particle and then boom, you measure.

So like with bloodwork, you pull out your blood, and you get a serial measurement of the

blood? Well, we're in a Newtonian physics discussion there. And so there's a correlation

through time on that. Now we can do what we do is a holographic voice scan. So by

utilizing your voice, this is not measuring on the vagus nerve, even though the vagus

nerve does innervate, the vocal cords, what we're utilizing with the voice is a holographic

representation of the field, the field of different organs, the field around your body, it

doesn't necessarily mean you have this issue now. But it means it's in the frequency

surrounding your entity, energetically, so, okay, well, what does that mean? How do we

do it, we can do it. So I really implemented this during COVID, actually, where we were all

locked in doing zoom all day. And some of us still do zoom all day like this. But it is, it's a

way for me to get into that little green dot right there, into your living room, kind of like

we are right now. Not in a creepy way, but in a very healthy healing way. And, and get a

really amazing report. It's basically 12 pages of information based off of you counting to

10 just 1-234-567-8910. And I was amazed. I will tell you, I was a bit skeptical of this

until I put it into practice and the level of discussion I got into people around their

emotions around even so like there was one read that came up with this person has an

issue with calcium metabolism and possibly in the kidneys, potentially meaning they

have kidney stones. I brought this up to a woman. And she looked at me like what is

going on Dr. Greg, she's like I just got diagnosed with kidney stones last week, calcium

oxalates. You know, so it was able to do that from her voice. So this this aspect of

hologram that I want to talk about. There's this ancient saying and Chinese medicine.

What happens in the microcosm happens in the macrocosm, and vice versa, the

macrocosm the universe is in you, and you are in the universe. And this is an old kind of

Taoist old Chinese medicine philosophy thing. And I've been saying it for 25 years after I

read the yellow Emperor's Internal Medicine classic. And got to wake up in a meditation

state of oh, that's actually a very true statement. In a quantum reality. We truly are the

universe like this expression of reality in a totality of oneness. There's just it's just one

thing, it's just the, the 10,000 things is what they say in Chinese medicine, right? There

was the one, then the two, then the three then the 10,000 things, you can do that with

Christianity, the First there was the word, right, and then the word beget reality. So there

is, you know, across the board in these ancient traditions, they've been talking about this

for a long time. So we're just really bringing it you know, into a clinical encounter. So we

measure it with that we also have a my health device that we can put on the body and

measure it measures bioimpedance in the connective tissue. So you're looking at the

electrical, the Body Electric, you're looking at the energy running in the system, and

looking at the body As a battery as a charge as an electrical current, and we know, you

know, we can bring in different fields of science around that, like there's an exclusionary

zone around every cell. What does that mean? That means they're stratified water that

creates a buffer and a barrier that allows certain things in into the cell into the

mitochondria, which is the energy factory of every cell of the body, all of those add up to

create an electrical being, we can even see light being emitted now from our DNA. So

these aspects, like, you know, when I started medical school in 1996, I was not talking

like this, Evan, I was not I was, you know, I was really in, you know, biochemistry,

physiology, anatomy, functional medicine, array, stool analysis, urine, analysis, blood.

But bringing this facet in, it doesn't mean we eliminate all of that. But just to get another

look energetically, bio energetically, can give some amazing insights into the body's

energy systems, what's going on emotionally, possibly around past traumas. It I find it

super insightful.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 16:16

Excellent. So it sounds like there's, there's a couple of these devices, there's one for the

voice, and then there's one, you put your hand on, and when you put over your body,

right, and they're measuring the field, and they're providing data, and then you can take

that data and you can use it clinically.

Greg Eckel, ND 16:31

Yes, yes. So it's based off of the work of Peter Fraser, and Harry Massey, these two,

Peter passed a couple years ago, Harry actually is a dear friend here in in Utah. And so

we get into these fascinating discussions around this new medicine, even though it's

kind of been old, like the Tesla quote that I shared at the beginning of the show. These

thoughts have been in science and quantum physics for a long time. It just I think we're

looking for ways to interpret it into English so that we can all understand it. And then I

think really make practical applications. So for instance, okay, Dr. Greg, that sounds

really cool. It sounds Star Trek II or Star Wars, and you have this tricorder device, and

you can measure, you know, different frequencies on the body. Well, we actually have

some research to back it up, thankfully. And that's coming out of UCSD there was. So

you can take the frequencies and program it into a carrier solution, such as like a

mineral complex, and they're called info circles. And those we've shown with different

remedies, we've seen the half life of viral replication, in particular COVID of all things. It

showed over a 24 hour period, it cut the half life of replication of that virus in a petri

dish. We've shown greater than 50% Mitochondrial uptick of increased energy from the

mitochondria with certain remedies into solution feeding mitochondria. So we've got

some pretty cool things coming down the pike, as we get more and more of that

evidence, bringing it into clinic, you know, so a real world example of that is I'd worked

with a woman for a decade and, you know, she credits us for keeping her walking. We

did stem cell injections in her hip. She's still walking, you know, she was looking at a hip

replacement, she no longer needed that. You know, we had got her sleep under control

her energy up, but she had hypertension, high blood pressure, she was on three or four

different medications, still uncontrolled hypertension, and had been working with her for

a decade, I did a voice scan gave her the there's five remedies that come up on the voice

scan. With first couple days, her pulse went from 80 beats per minute down to 60 beats

per minute. And her blood pressure went from 150 over 90 to 120 over 80 The only

intervention we did were these remedies. And I you know, that was thankfully early on

when I started utilizing the medicines and or remedies we can call them in did to see

actual like, that's a tough case like essential hypertension is very difficult for all

medicine, and to have these remedies come in and create such substantial change for

her. I got to interview you know, some people would say, Well, maybe that's placebo.

Well, I got to interview a veterinarian out of Europe and horses have this thing that'll put

them out of commission and he gets to see like very expensive horses that are in the

racing world. They get this condition called hoof rot, when their their hoofs get rot. And

there's not a great blood flow and a horse hoof. And he treated this horse with the My

Health device, that kind of tricorder that I was talking about. And it, it's been like,

basically, you have to put the horse down if they get that because it's just the antibiotics

don't get in there that can't get them back. One horse first time, it cured the horse of that

condition. And you know, him being a scientist, and that he said, you know, what, if this

works on the next, you know, four, if I can get five cases of this, and it works I'm in. And

he said, It has been like one of the most effective remedies that he has discovered. And

I mean, these are like horses, they have millions of dollars invested in these horses. So

for him to be able to do that. And that's not the horse thinking like, oh, this thing's gonna

work for me. Eating there, right?

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 21:00

That's a that's a very good question. Does the placebo work on horses? But no, that's

that. That is that is very convincing. So then. So we've talked about assessment, we've

talked about treatment, which would come in these forms of these interesting articles

that are like little vials that you put in your mouth, right, or you put drops in your mouth

or something, they're drops,

Greg Eckel, ND 21:16

they come in different varieties. So there is the My Health device that is a it's kind of like

a tricorder from Star Trek, if you've ever watched that, I'm a Trekkie fan, John Luke

Picard was my favorite Captain just for the record. So utilizing the the My Health device

like ultra we travel with it, I don't leave home without it, because it has a whole

compendium of a lot of the remedies on there. So you could just dial it up for you know,

we do a basically radiation protection thing on the plains and it has things for cold and

viruses and musculoskeletal it's amazing I had frozen shoulder developing after a an

injection that went already that I couldn't lift my arm up beyond this, without it like a nine

out of 10 pain. Two days later, I had full range of motion of the shoulder just with a

topical application of the My Health. So you can do it off body on body, you can take the

remedies there program with inflammation, and I'm in addition to you know, we're taking

care of the physical form and the functional aspects of if the receiver is not the body, if

it's not whole, you don't have the energy running properly, you have to remove obstacles

to cure, which would be imbalances of electrical currents, the charge on the body and

any pathogenic issues or injuries along those lines.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 22:44

And which do you think works better? The my health device or the other circles?

Greg Eckel, ND 22:50

You know, that's a great question. So it's tough to utilize the My Health every day. I like

honestly, the combination of them gets much better results. I do like the emphasis

articles because you can dose yourself multiple times a day and with frequency through

time. So they both work. I think the easiest one it are the remedies because they're in a

liquid carrier and bottles. The my health there's an investment on that device. So it's not,

you know, not for everybody, but it's it is a very effective tool.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 23:25

Okay, great. And then you have this phrase detect, correct and protect how does that fit

into all this?

Greg Eckel, ND 23:33

Yeah, so the Detect we talked about on the assessment, so we're utilizing and checking

the body's energy and information. So that's the ness of voice scan. We do advanced

labs and imaging, you know, when appropriate, we do the whole functional array, we do

blood work, you know, the stool in the urine, and blood testing. So that's all in the Detect

component, the correct is correcting the body's energy flow, the emotions and

imbalances at a at a deep core level, in addition to the frequencies that are surrounding

so that would be the info Stickles the My Health up to regenerative stem cell therapies

we do that utilizing we actually do psychedelic assisted therapies now in the centers for

healing deep traumas, PTSD, depression, anxiety, I see those emotional patterns for

folks to get really in the way of charging the body battery so we've got to address those

things as they come up. IV therapy, hyperbaric sound healing, we do sound bowls and

gongs and those frequencies carrying intentions into people. We do hormone you know

bioidentical hormone therapies peptides. Course nutraceuticals. Chinese herbs is one of

my specialties. So we're utilized is a very eclectic practice there. And then the the pro

tect, right, we want to get somebody that at the top of the mountain feeling good. And

then we're protecting the body's energy. So that is around, recharging the body battery.

Hyperbaric are very important to keep the oxygen charge up in the body that helps it's

anti inflammatory, helps the body heal quicker. Light beds, lasers, pulsed

electromagnetic frequency pads, low level laser light pads, so we put light into the body,

feeding the mitochondria, increasing body charge, when I find when the voltage of the

body is up, it's great enough disease or illness doesn't happen, because you've got

enough of a terrain, a strong foundation, that those things just kind of get ejected off of

off of the body.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 25:53

Brilliant. So you have this wealth of knowledge on all of these different treatment

modalities. So let's let's pivot a little bit to some of the stuff that's near and dear to my

heart, chronic fatigue and long COVID. So what are you seeing in terms of utilizing all

these different treatment modalities? That's like the biggest bang for the buck and

helping people to focus on long COVID? What's What do you seen as the biggest bang

for the buck for these people?

Greg Eckel, ND 26:23

Yeah, so I mean, this is an epidemic, as we know, so many folks don't even realize that

they have symptoms from that virus. You know, because it has been such a slow boil

and simmer for so long that the system doesn't really recognize it until you're in it with

the brain fog, the fatigue, maybe the the myalgias, the muscle pains, the aches, just the

general malaise, the the emotional toll on it. And so really, it all starts everybody has a

different path. And in long COVID is kind of unique to COVID. But it's also very similar to

post viral syndrome, you know, so that constellation of symptoms now has the official

dreaded name of the long COVID. But you know, we've been seeing this with Epstein

Barr Virus, settle Megalo virus, herpes simplex virus, those are the great mimickers. And

Lyme disease also can fit into that category. So oftentimes, you know, the folks that

have got that general constellation is there, their body battery was not charged enough.

And so these things are remaining, well, what are the biggest culprit, so we're getting

worked up on one, making sure your thyroid is optimal, making sure you don't have

anemia, checking the gut health and making sure you don't have inflammation there.

Because if you've got inflammation in the gut, it starts to gap the cells, larger food

particles get into your blood, your blood and immune system is already very active,

because it's got this post viral syndrome where things are ramped up, it starts to attack

these foods that haven't been seen, because they shouldn't be in the blood, that creates

more inflammation, goes to your blood brain barrier starts to open that up, and then

you've got inflammation on your brain. So that pattern, you know, you got to check the

gut, you look at sympathetic versus parasympathetic tone. So measuring heart rate

variability, and or blood pressure sitting and standing is a kind of a simple at home test.

If you're falling greater than 10 millimeters of mercury on a blood pressure. When you

stand up, you have some postural orthostatic hypertension, hypotension symptoms,

means your adrenal glands aren't working. And there's a stress component.

components, the smoking guns that I see, though, are chronic Lyme infections, heavy

metals, and the and the latent viruses. So those need to be ruled out. So it's not a I don't

go right to therapeutics, because the path if you just start going in a certain direction,

you might be headed the exact wrong direction, and you've just wasted your time, you're

gonna get into therapeutic burnout. I see a lot of people that have tried XYZ because

they read it on the internet. And, you know, it's like a year and a half, they've been

struggling with the symptoms, and they just never got a thorough assessment or

workup. And I know that's what you thrive on in your programs of like it is that not

everybody is bio individually treated and assessed and worked up. Yes, the framework is

very similar, but what we do for you, is specifically for you, so I'll say the assessment

really is crucial.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 29:46

Brilliant. So then let's say you find somebody who's got some of these latent viruses. Do

you have a favorite? Antiviral or let's say let's say they've got COVID and Epstein Barr

Virus in Do you have? Do you have a favorite antiviral or a favorite treatment? IV? Is it

hyperbaric? Is it

Greg Eckel, ND 30:06

sauna? Yeah. So there's a couple things there. So one of the biggest levers that we have

put in is called the Eboo. The external or extra? Actually, I've got an external. Yeah,

corporeal blood, ozonation and oxygenation. Eboo just rolls off the tongue, right? It's like

you're getting 30 ozone treatments in about 15 minutes. So it's filtering the blood two

liters of your five liters of blood, exposing it to ozone, oxygen, and then four varieties of

UV light. And then we actually put frequencies back into that cleaned up blood within

imprinter, that bioenergetic component, and then it comes back into the body. I had a

woman, it was not long COVID It was chronic fatigue syndrome. She was 33 had a

couple of young kids at home. And it was like, heartbreaking, right? She She came in, I

said, Well, what brought you and she said, Well, my three year old said to me, mommy,

you're always so tired. You're always saying just give me a minute kids, I gotta lay down.

And like that just broke my heart hearing it. We did three ebos once a week for three

weeks, her husband came up afterwards and said, Can you turn her off? And I'm just

like, watch what you're asking for like she's been down on the couch, right since the kids

were born. And so it was that effective. Like she had tremendous energy, like totally

cleaned up the blood and the infections and chronic viral components. So that one is

awesome. I do like the voice scans for folks remotely. And we do a lot of coaching and

remote support for folks just because this medicine isn't everywhere. And I wanted to be

able to reach people where they're at. They're depending on what comes up on that

scan. Occasionally we will add there's a remedy called et to energetic train to that's the

one that they did the research at UCSD for having the replication of the COVID virus. So

it's very effective at I think, at viral viral immunity and ramping up the lymphocytes, etc.

In well, I shouldn't say ramping up, I should watch my language modulating the immune

system to be aware that there's something that shouldn't be in there. Yeah.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 32:39

Excellent. So And have you noticed with the Ebola, you know, one of the things that I

used to do in my clinic was doing some IV ozone. And so it's an oxygenated therapy.

And I've seen this also with hyperbaric oxygen. And so I have with the with the oxygen

native or pro oxygen native therapies, oftentimes, you can get die off where you're killing

off an infection is more than the body can tolerate. What are you finding with the Eboo?

Are you seeing die off? Or is it built in where it kind of helps to mitigate it? Yeah,

Greg Eckel, ND 33:13

so those Herxheimer reactions are very few and far between even depending on doesn't

matter on viral load it, it is a rather gentle process, you know, but my crystal ball is good.

It's not that good. So I do warn folks about that occurrence. You know, that is short

lived. You know, we actually used to get that with a, we were doing some research on

some frequencies that we would run through the body with like rife machines, and I use

those for research purposes only, but they can be very effective for chronic Lyme,

chronic fatigue, long COVID. And so utilize, there's a lot of things that we can do. I rarely

ever, if I don't think I've seen that, once that a hyperbaric chamber. But we do can

occasionally get that with the Eboo.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 34:05

And how many sessions is usually take folks to notice a difference, three,

Greg Eckel, ND 34:08

two to three. So and what I like about it, so it's a little different than doing a bolus of

ozone. So if you're doing ozone IVs, or 10 passes, that's a big amount of ozone all at

once. The the Eboo is a slow and gentle filtering. So it is, you know, comes out one arm

through the apparatus and then back in the other arm. And so it's a slow filter. So you're

slowly exposing the blood and any viruses to the ozone, rather than a big bolus coming

in that sometimes is a little bit of a shock to the system.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 34:42

Does it address clotting at all? I mean, it sounds a little bit like some of the some of the

techniques that are being done in Europe to address some of the Michael clotting micro

clotting associated with long COVID I

Greg Eckel, ND 34:54

haven't seen that per se I mean we will use sera peptidase or lumber kinase other

enzymatic therapies to help kind of get rid of the spike poke proteins and eliminate the

clotting factor or that Reuleaux effect that's happening with the quote unquote sticky

blood oxygenating the blood though, is very, it's potently anti inflammatory. It also drives

the nerf to pathway, which is really pro healing as well. So there's a lot of other benefits.

I it's not, you know, I say that there's a filter, but the filter is not filtering items out. It's

really there to expose the blood to more oxygen for that for that effectiveness of the

ozone therapy. Very

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 35:45

cool. And the UV that's part of that is also anti microbial. potently

Greg Eckel, ND 35:51

potently. And there's four different wavelengths going in. So the the tube goes right

through the four bulbs. So it's different frequencies going in, I think modulating and

really being antiviral there. It's also very effective for mold, Lyme, chronic fatigue along

these lines.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 36:10

Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. Sounds like a great tool. So great. So we are at the end of our

time together. So you've got a free gift for the folks who are listening, you want to tell us

a little bit about it?

Greg Eckel, ND 36:24

Yeah. So it is the voice scan, you know, I really am about accelerating the change. And

so I think that the best way to do it is to actually see for yourself, be curious. Come with

questions, and we will give you a free voice scan, and we will go over it with you.

Because, you know, it really is, you know, I got into medicine to be of service. And this is

one of those aha moments for me of you know, it's sometimes it's hard to believe it until

you see it. So that's the component. Now sometimes it resonates. Sometimes it doesn't.

But overall, you get into a really amazing conversation. And you know, we only want

folks that are serious. So not not just to be like, totally, like, Oh, I just want to do the

voice scan. See you later. I mean, we'll send you the report after you talk to somebody,

but I would you know, we're really out here to help. So let's see if we can get some

insights for you. And we're going to offer that up for your viewers and listeners.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 37:29

Awesome. Thank you. So we will put that under this episode, and then best place to find

you is Energy for Life. centers.com is that right?

Greg Eckel, ND 37:41

Yeah, with the number four? Yep, Energy for Life centers with an s.com.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 37:49

Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining me today, Greg, I really appreciate you. You

bringing more knowledge to this world of Biogenics bio energetics because I think it's

super important and it really is the future.

Greg Eckel, ND 38:03

Thank you so much.

Evan H. Hirsch, MD 38:09

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